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Patterns: What May I Use Them For?

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I'm pretty new to actually USING CL for much of anything other than random eye candy and visual inspiration. I recently discovered the whole "color a pattern" deal and that's a pretty cool feature.

HOWEVER, I'm a writer by trade. I really GET copyright infringement. I'm confused about patterns. I'm able to color a pattern, give credit to the creator of the pattern (and creator of the palette if I use a specific palette), I'm offered the feature of downloading the palette, but it has a CL watermark on it. Am I allowed to use a pattern colored on CL or not?

I don't want to use any material I'm not allowed to. I've seen lots of threads here about "stolen material."


As I understand it, the material is "stolen" when it breaks the creative commons license, which is listed on every one of the items that you'll find on CL. In general, the license allows for the use of an item provided that full credit is given to the person who created it. There appears to be some debate over what "credit" means, but the safest bet is always to include a link back to the profile of the person who created the content. That's how I do it, and I've used a couple of palettes here in HTML/CSS templates for use in role playing games.

In the majority of cases, the item may not be used for commercial use (unless the license is changed by the creator).

That being said, I'm also terribly confused by this. Unless an item is marked as "all rights reserved" (which is NOT automatic, by the way), then it should be usable provided that credit is given to the creator, in accordance with the creative commons.

Anything else will need to be explained to me, but this is the interpretation that I've made of creative commons as it applies to flickr.


I understand about giving credit. My question pertains to the fact that when I download the pattern (as the download link is provided), there is a colourlovers watermark all over it. So, what is the purpose of being able to color patterns if they aren't usable?


There's a COLOURlovers watermark on your patterns? That's bizarre. I wasn't aware that CL used watermarks.
If I'm not mistaken, downloaded patterns are to be used as desktop wallpaper only.


Oh, only as wallpaper? Well, that's good to know (and not very useful). Is there any place on the site where these rules are clearly spelled out? Yes, along the bottom of the image there is a big CL banner.


You can download the 200x200px sized pattern tile which is free of banner.


Slightly off-topic: there is actually a big debate about the banner-less 200x200 preview images. Many of us believe that they should not be made available (or at least with some kind of CL watermark) due to multiple website owners taking the preview images, labeling them as original creations, and making them available on their site for download, which blatantly violates copyrights. This has become a real problem.

ArrayOfLilly wrote:
You can download the 200x200px sized pattern tile which is free of banner.


If you can't download them, you can make a screenshot and cut it. Watermark isn't the solution, except if it is on all of your stuff.

Watermark makes all of your work unusable for everyone and for any purpose. All of your work will be wortheless junk.

This time my templates and patterns are under CC3 license with allowed commercial usage, etc.

If the watermark is introduced I will delete all of them. I make pattern, for people to use fairly. Some people can"t do this. They steal my stuff. But the idea and the ability for creating things remains mine. People who are thieves should be ashamed.

But even so, i still want to make things for people like you and others in this community.

I hope, watermark will be optional. If not, I will Quit!

On the other hand, without thiefs, I never would have heard about this site. And now I'm here and I can create things for the community.
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I agree about OkayButWhy and and-again, and I'll add
to the list.

Edith: ShadowApple12 is one of the accounts I initially connected to Erika & Co last summer when it was created, but they have mostly remained quiet and have not been on very often since the end of the summer.
I can't tell for sure, but the wording in the profile definitely looks familiar, and it fits the pattern of several other (mostly deleted) accounts which I had been watching back then.

After Erika & Co were briefly banned last year, and then allowed back, they made a slew of new accounts but these, and some extras which they already had, remained pretty much dormant, the busiest of them maybe creating a few things every few weeks, and not really drawing much attention to them.
(The person in question was probably busy trolling other forums...)
Anyway, behappy is one of those accounts.
Made last June, active until maybe July or so, from then on a few palettes a month, before for whatever reason about 2 month ago or so, she started turning up the volume, both in output, and in attention seeking, and gradually, more and more of those sleeper accounts started being used, and new ones added. And many miraculously found their way into her followers list...

Anyway, that seems to be the status right now.

As several of you have already said, it sickens me to be suspicious of people here, yet I find myself not trusting new members, especially those that claim to be very young and come across as very chipper, very involved.
And since there seems to have been a HUGE influx of these troll accounts since December, I am automatically wary of anybody who signed up in December or January.

I don't want to be, I am not naturally a suspicious person (believe it or not!), but I find myself closely looking over new members' profiles and the people they follow before I can bring myself to love their creations.
This is not a relaxing way to spend ones time...

What gets me even more though is seeing other, legit members, and especially those I care about, either not realize or not care that they are interacting with sockpuppets.
I hate seeing others being lied to, it's a pet peeve if you will, and so this is the big issue I have with these people.
Not that they are there.
But that other people unknowingly are friendly with them while they are essentially being taken advantage of by these trolls.

I have pretty much stopped communicating with most people on CL because of all that, especially new people.
This is definitely not the place it was when I first came here, which was not long ago at all compared to most of you.
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Edith: I find it sad also that we have to wonder about people now. It makes me angry even more so. And I, too, wonder about and-again. also.

I have done enough griping about things in the past and it caused a lot of hurt feelings, so I really wanted to avoid that this time. I find, though, that as much as I try to look past what's going on with these trolls/spammers/sock puppets and enjoy the site, I can't and I'm not able to keep my mouth shut about it.

Souldew: Nope, we have no moderation here whatsoever. People are expected to "work out their own problems", which would be awesome if we lived in a world where everyone could behave and think like civilized humans but we don't. So, yeah, that's why we're in the state we're in now.

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